The Conversation


The Conversation

A White Affinity Space to Grow









ithout Judgement

What is The Conversation?

Let’s be honest. People are experiencing a myriad of feelings about racial tensions in our country, and in our community. It is difficult sometimes to even find the words, let alone feel like it is safe to talk about. Many white people want to dismantle racism but are struggling with how to make an impact. It is more than just protests and yard signs.

With a focus on advancing racial equity and belonging, this 4-month facilitator-led, cohort-based program will utilize resources (articles, books, videos) to stimulate discussion. Participants will learn, share and grow in an environment where they may be challenged, but not judged.

We aspire to ensure diversity in many ways…except one: participants must identify as white. There are two reasons for this requirement:

  1. People of color are not responsible for dismantling racism and educating white people on how to be allies
  2. It is equally important for participants to be candid and transparent as we grow and learn

Consider participating if you:

  • Wish to advance your journey of how to be anti-racist
  • Can come to the table with an open mind and heart
  • Will carry forward the knowledge gained to help create a culture of belonging
  • Commit to following agreed-upon communication norms and ground rules

This series will be facilitated by Kathy Grinsteiner and Heather Hollick, and is offered to our community free of charge. Sessions will be held the second Tuesday of each month, March-June, 5:30-7:00 pm at the Great Lakes Children’s Museum.

Beginning January 12, those interested can complete the form below

Group size will be limited to a maximum of 15 aspiring allies.

Your Facilitators

Kathy Grinsteiner

Kathy Grinsteiner is a facilitator, trainer, and developer with a passion for helping others to reach their full potential both professionally and personally.

Heather Hollick

Heather Hollick is a teacher, writer, and coach on a mission to make the world a better place to work. 

The Cold Shower Podcast

In this episode Kathy Grinsteiner and Heather Hollick discuss their upcoming cohort on Anti Racism. 

Registration for this series of The Conversation is now closed.

If you are interested in participating in a future cohort, contact Kathy Grinsteiner at

Apply for The Conversation!

Series meetings will take place 5:30-7pm on
March 8, April 12, May 10, and June 14.
Participants must be available to meet on all four dates

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Meeting space generously donated by the Great Lakes Children's Museum

Food for our first session generously donated by Oryana